Saturday, April 3, 2010

EverBank Deletes the (Now) Infamous Section 6.3.7.3

Apparently, yours truly’s last post generated quite a ruckus subsequent to which EverBank has decided to delete the offending Section 6.3.7.3 in their Terms and Conditions for “Non-FDIC Insured Metals Select Accounts”, where it now simply says “RESERVED”.

Somebody posted this comment on my blog on the 16th of March, 2010, which I have since removed as it contained personally identifying information. Given the content therein, I was waiting for someone from EverBank to perhaps send me a formal email, but I haven’t received anything so far and therefore have decided to just go with this. Here is the comment I received (with the personally identifying information redacted):

    From:

    To:

    Subject: RE: Website inquiry - World Markets

    Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:40 PM


    We have been made aware of the storm of blogs/emails regarding our recent change to the Metals Terms and Conditions. Unfortunately the language was inserted without proper review, and has since been pulled. Here is the response our President, Frank Trotter has sent to the authors of this blog/newsletter:

    "We have noticed some blog and newsletter comments concerning the new Terms and Conditions for our EverBank Metals Select accounts. As part of our periodic review of these contracts we recently standardized and consolidated the Terms and Conditions for all EverBank accounts and products. In connection with this process, we have included the new language in Section 6.3.7.3 of the Terms and Conditions that has been quoted in some commentary.

    This language was not intended to allow EverBank to close your Metals Account arbitrarily or without good reason. This technical contract language was added to clarify EverBank's rights in the event that unforeseen circumstances necessitated a change in EverBank's ability to act as custodian for precious metals purchased by you through EverBank. Given the concerns that have been posted and the fact that we do not foresee any likely circumstance that would affect our ability to continue to serve as custodian for your precious metals, we are in the process of deleting Section 6.3.7.3 from the EverBank Terms and Conditions in its entirety and notifying customers.

    As a reminder you can request that metals held in any EverBank Metals Select account be shipped to you (in the case of allocated accounts) or converted to a specific physical form and shipped to you (in the case of non-IRA pooled accounts) at any time.

    I hope that this clarifies the matter and invite those with further questions to contact the World Markets desk directly.

    Thank you -

    Frank Trotter, President, EverBank Direct"


    Again I appreciate you bringing this to our attention, and am happy to report that the language has been removed from our T&Cs. EverBank is very stable and does not 'short' gold. We purchase every ounce which is sold to our customers.


    Thank you,


    EverBank World Markets
    8300 Eager Rd, Ste 700
    St. Louis, MO 63144
    Phone: 800-926-4922
    Fax: 888-882-0073

    -----Original Message-----

    From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com [mailto: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx @hotmail.com]

    Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 12:32 PM

    To: Everbank World Markets

    Subject: Website inquiry - World Markets


    Email Subject: Website inquiry - World Markets

    Requestor Name: xxx xxxxxxxx

    Requestor Email: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx @hotmail.com

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Lets’ take this apart piece by piece.
    We have been made aware of the storm of blogs/emails regarding our recent change to the Metals Terms and Conditions.
To tell you the truth, yours truly wasn’t expecting such widespread coverage of his post, but in any case it just goes to show these companies/banks that they can’t just stealthily change their Terms and Conditions whenever they feel like it, hiding under legalese, steal from their customers and hope nobody will notice.
    Unfortunately the language was inserted without proper review…
I bet.

    Here is the response our President, Frank Trotter has sent to the authors of this blog/newsletter

I didn’t receive anything, except a message from some anonymous commenter.

    This language was not intended to allow EverBank to close your Metals Account arbitrarily or without good reason. This technical contract language was added to clarify EverBank's rights in the event that unforeseen circumstances necessitated a change in EverBank's ability to act as custodian for precious metals purchased by you through EverBank.
Well, first you say it was “inserted without proper review” and then you proceed to defend it. What is it folks? Either it was a mistake or it wasn’t. There is no in-between. And I’m pretty sure a bank your size does not move even a stapler without “proper review”. Let’s revisit what this “language” was:

    Section 6.3.7. General Terms: We have added language clarifying our right to close your account. We may close your Metals Select Account at anytime upon reasonable notice to you. If we believe that it is necessary to close your account immediately in order to limit losses by you or us, we may close your account prior to providing notice to you. Notice from us to one of you is notice to all of you. If we close your account, we reserve the right to convert your Precious Metals to U.S. dollars and tender the balance to you by mail.

Seems pretty arbitrary to me, especially when you say that you can even close the account prior to providing notice to your customers and that notice to one of your customers is notice to all of them. And what would that “good reason”/ “unforeseen circumstance” be? Could it be something related to the recent revelations in the CFTC meeting on position limits in the metals markets that the LBMA/COMEX [paper] Gold market today is basically a Ponzi Scheme with more than 100 ounces of paper Gold having been sold for every ounce of the physical metal? I think it is pretty clear that these guys are aware of the various shenanigans occurring in the Gold market as well as the possibly nasty intentions of the U.S. Government as exemplified by this statement in the Section 6.3.7.5. and are trying to indemnify themselves against any SHTF scenario – the exact scenario in which you will need physical Gold:
    We may close your EverBank Metals Select Account(s) or to convert Precious Metals to U.S. dollars at anytime, if we deem such action prudent, necessary or appropriate, in our sole discretion, in response to acts of God, government restrictions (including, without limitation, the denial or cancellation of any export or other necessary license), wars, insurrections and/or any other cause beyond the reasonable control of us. If we do close your EverBank Metals Select Account(s) or convert the Precious Metals in such account(s) to U.S. dollars as described above, we will not have any liability to you resulting from changes in the value of those Precious Metals resulting from the timing of our closing the account or converting the Precious Metals to U.S. dollars.
With the U.S. now moving towards enforcing capital controls, I don’t think those Government restrictions (such as outright stealing your Gold) are such a far-fetched possibility. Plus if there is ever a run in the Gold market i.e. a run on physical Gold – not such an unlikely scenario considering the GATA/CFTC revelations -  rest assured, the timing [of closing the account or converting the Precious Metals to U.S. dollars] will be of ultimate importance and it most definitely won’t be in your favor.
    Given the concerns that have been posted and the fact that we do not foresee any likely circumstance that would affect our ability to continue to serve as custodian for your precious metals, we are in the process of deleting Section 6.3.7.3 from the EverBank Terms and Conditions in its entirety and notifying customers.
A-ha! So now you don’t “foresee” the s**t hitting the fan? Phew! What a relief! But you got your bases covered in Section 6.3.7.5, didn’t you? Given the sorry state of the [paper] Gold market, and the U.S. “markets” in general alongwith the increasing heavy handedness of the US. Government, I don’t blame you.
    As a reminder you can request that metals held in any EverBank Metals Select account be shipped to you (in the case of allocated accounts) or converted to a specific physical form and shipped to you (in the case of non-IRA pooled accounts) at any time.
Yes please – I would like to get ‘em out YESTERDAY.
    I hope that this clarifies the matter and invite those with further questions to contact the World Markets desk directly.
Yes, it most definitely does “clarify” the matter. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Frankly, I don’t think it is fair to pick on poor EverBank when the language in the much larger $40 billion GLD ETF’s prospectus essentially declares it to be complete and total outright fraud. If, for example, one fine day it was found that GLD was holding Iron bars instead of Gold bars, the GLD prospectus covers that scenario i.e. they have “disclosed” that risk to you and there is nothing you can do about it.

I have said it before and I’m saying it again – personal possession of the physical metal will be the only thing that will count. Paper Gold promises such as ETF’s, Gold “funds”, Unallocated/pooled accounts are practically worthless in my opinion. As far as third party physical storage is concerned, any place that the “authorities” (especially in the US/UK) know about or can find out about easily is NOT safe.

As Rob Kirby likes to say:

Got real physical Gold yet?

13 comments:

  1. Gordon, i found your last post to be well written and timely. Bill Buckner saw this over a year ago. as well as the treasury bust we are witnessing. The main blogs are all good but it is refreshing to see you attach a little panic to the issue of owning physical gold and silver and keeping it where it is unlikely to be appropriated. When the water gets to the life boats only the physical will matter.
    soon we might be asking," how much gold will an egg buy?"

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  2. Yeah, I think too many people are complacent about their finances and ignorant about the sorry state of our financial system. Many still trust corrupt third parties like Wall Street with their money.

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  3. Hi GG

    Fantastic. Thank you for shining the light of scrutiny on these banks and their legal cockroaches. This is one reason I would never choose a commercial bank to store our bullion.

    Having said that...

    Storage is more and more a problem, for those of us holding bullion as our 'retirement' fund. I am especially anxious as the government requires us to register by our name, all purchases over AU$10,000 (I live in Australia), so that we can be tracked.

    We store ours in our private property, but not all people have the werewithal to do this. Aside from that, unless one has a secure area on premises or is very, very good at hiding metal (and the more you have, the more difficult this is), it can be risky.

    I have been trying to research storage facilities, not just for friends/family but for ourselves, in case we need the option to be more mobile.

    I found one site that looks OK, for example (this one obviously in Aus):

    http://goldderoyale.com.au/content/content.php?pageid=10

    But, even if people like this are trustworthy, could the government lock it down and steal from it anyway? How likely is this to happen?

    I would love to hear some thoughts about storage ideas/recommendations, and ways we should start thinking/talking about it. Is *anyone* (ie, secure vault facilities) trustworthy for this? Is it likely that the government would seize from bullion vaults, rather than banks? How do we realistically assess the risk? Are there any 'danger signs' that you would look for, that might herald a government lockdown?

    Posts like yours highlight to me that banks are not to be trusted with gold, fine print or no fine print. But there are still so many questions, on storage. Maybe for some future post someday?

    Thanks so much for all your work on this.

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  4. I think Europe is a good place to store your bullion in case you want to hedge the risk of theft and store it with a third party. Besides the US/UK/Third world dictatorships - I think risk of confiscation by the govt. is not that great. In these countries its best if you have personal possession.

    I will try to do a post on this in the near future as many people have asked me similar questions.

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  5. London got it's safe deposit boxes drilled open without warning by the police last year I think. Some stuff "went missing", complete with holes in surveillance camera footage of the police with the items. Other owners were caught up in bureaucracy trying to get their stuff back for months. Incredible, isn't it?

    If the authorities can act in a way reminiscent of just another gang now, imagine how they'll be when things actually begin to get desperate.

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  6. What is funny is when I started buying gold and silver in the early 2000's everyone and my accountant said to use paper proxies. I wanted that stuff in my hand! Then when I really learned about the metals, in hand is the only thing that exists; paper is a promise not an ounce.

    Pat Benatar's "Promises in the Dark" sums up the paper gold market.

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  7. GG, today is my first day on your blog, and so far, I'm very pleased and amused with all the information and how neatly they are written.

    disclaimer said I should leave on comment on the latest post if I have a qustion... so here it is.
    I have bought over 40k Gold in one transaction. I've been reading around and it seems like I have possibility that the Gov can take them when the "time" comes.

    will they really take the gold? I've bought it from kitco and placed them in the local bank's safe box. if that transaction can be traced down, should i resort to buying it from local shop with cash? or is there a amount limit that i should not go over?

    thanks for your advice!

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  8. Hi Shin,
    Thanks for your kind words. I think - and again this is just me - at this point one should be 100% invested in physical Gold having personal possession of the same. No paper assets of any kind except some cash for everyday needs. Yes, the best way is to buy them paying cash so the govt. thieves can't track it. Buy in small amounts so as to avoid attention and also this way you'll also find out how trustworthy the dealer is. Although one can't say for sure whether they will steal it, it's prudent to take whatever steps you can to protect your money. The govt. confiscation is more of a threat to those who live in the US/UK. For people in these countries, I think its a good idea to have a secure offshore location in gold-friendly places such as Europe to store their Gold.

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  9. thanks for your input!
    unfortunately, I do not have any connection in Europe. I do have one in Taiwan and South Korea though. If I plan to move my gold to those places, would It be better to carry it on the plan myself? or ship it through UPS or Fedex with insurance?
    is there any way for me to transfer them without getting noticed?

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  10. It would be easiest just to go and buy it there, IMHO. As far as carrying on the plane/UPS etc. is concerned, unfortunately I can't be of much help as I haven't ever done it; although I would think that you wouldn't be able to carry $10k plus (gold or cash) outside the US without questions being asked. It might be more hassle free if you carry it out in small denominations on multiple trips although it would not very economical, unless you are a frequent visitor to those places. Shipping thru FedEx/UPS again has the same issue - you can't remain anonymous as you have to declare the contents while shipping.

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  11. Hello again,
    I came to wonder... what are effective ways for to dispose(sell) the gold I have once I see a satisfying price point?
    I was thinking that selling to Kitco would be okay too, but once the storm hits, would it be hard to sell the gold?

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  12. Why not store PM yourself? Unless you're a multi-millionaire, it's not as though it will require much more space than a shoe box, and that's assuming you store it all in one place.

    Put a couple ounces behind each light-switch outlet. Spread it out under the insulation in your attic. Encase some in a concrete brick and pave your walk-way with it. Bury some in your fireplace ash box.

    It doesn't corrode, doesn't burn, doesn't rot. Gold is easy to safegaurd.

    Snoop-Diggity-DANG-Dawg

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